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Hey,
I was watching a ralph davis video on youtube and he had two Caramel albino's with kinks in them, And ive read up You get quite alot of kinks in caramel albinos with visual to visual breeding? Is this true?
Many thanks,
Chris
I was watching a ralph davis video on youtube and he had two Caramel albino's with kinks in them, And ive read up You get quite alot of kinks in caramel albinos with visual to visual breeding? Is this true?
Many thanks,
Chris
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i believe its just in
general with caramel albinos.... hets too
but ive heard there are some lines which dont have kinks
but ive heard there are some lines which dont have kinks
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To minimise kinking,
breed unrelated from different lines. The majority of kinked Caramels are
resulting from breeding closely related parents.
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its "one" of
the ball python hobbys dirty secrets, ralph made a big thing about speaking
about the caramel kinks, but he's obviously known for a while and never said
anything when they where fetching big bucks, no one did, it would affect thier
sales, it was only when general hobbyists got them that it was spoken openly
about, obvious others are the spider wobble and the super's duck bill, strange
how people call these problems "cute" in ball pythons, if it was a
corn, it would be put it down, thats awful etc etc, but balls and money go hand
in hand so for now at least these arent problems, thier "cute" side
effects.
rgds
ed
rgds
ed
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Breeding hets can also decrease the
kinking, kinked ones well some get kept as show things but most end up in the
freezer to be blunt...
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Caramel Albino Iguana.
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Caramel Albino
The Caramel Albino, also
known as Xanthic or T+ Albino, is one of the most unique looking Ball Python
morphs out there. The coloration is caused by a small amount of Tyrosine
(Melanin) more than a regular albino resulting in Purples and Yellows. We are
working on producing Caramel Glows, Cararmel Stripes, Caramel Glow Stripes,
Caramel Champagnes and Caramel Glow Champagnes!
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Corey Woods
03-21-2005,
12:38 AM
You don't see too many of these around. My
original het Caramel female just ovulated (the female that produced the regular
albino a couple years ago). She was bred by my Pastel het Caramel.......hopefully
she produces something other than normals!
Anyways, here are some pics of my Caramel female. She is a 2003.
http://coreywoods.com/Caramel/Caramel2656.jpg
http://coreywoods.com/Caramel/Caramel2661.jpg
Caramel female and Albino (white back) male.
http://coreywoods.com/Caramel/Caramel-Albino2673.jpg
Enjoy,
Corey
Anyways, here are some pics of my Caramel female. She is a 2003.
http://coreywoods.com/Caramel/Caramel2656.jpg
http://coreywoods.com/Caramel/Caramel2661.jpg
Caramel female and Albino (white back) male.
http://coreywoods.com/Caramel/Caramel-Albino2673.jpg
Enjoy,
Corey
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Chris,
The first regular albino (T-) produced in Canada was produced from breeding 100% het Caramel (T+) to a 100% het Caramel (T+). That is why this year I bred my Pastel het Caramel to my original het Caramel (I have a couple het caramels). That way if I don't produce caramels I know I got screwed.
Thanks for the kind words everyone!
Corey
The first regular albino (T-) produced in Canada was produced from breeding 100% het Caramel (T+) to a 100% het Caramel (T+). That is why this year I bred my Pastel het Caramel to my original het Caramel (I have a couple het caramels). That way if I don't produce caramels I know I got screwed.
Thanks for the kind words everyone!
Corey
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Bristen,
My female is fine. Although, almost every breeder in the USA who has produced Caramels in numbers has produced kinked offspring. It's in the gene and it doesn't seem to be related to inbreeding........although I'm sure it's not helping. Breeders in the USA who are working with totally unrelated stock (wild caughts) are still producing kinked offspring. Most of the kinking seems to be in the mid section (severe spinal kinks) although some show up in the tail and aren't as bad.
Problematic Caramels and spiders are not something people like to talk about as it hurts their bottom lines.
Corey
PS The kinking in Caramels are very obvious in hatchlings and don't develop with age
My female is fine. Although, almost every breeder in the USA who has produced Caramels in numbers has produced kinked offspring. It's in the gene and it doesn't seem to be related to inbreeding........although I'm sure it's not helping. Breeders in the USA who are working with totally unrelated stock (wild caughts) are still producing kinked offspring. Most of the kinking seems to be in the mid section (severe spinal kinks) although some show up in the tail and aren't as bad.
Problematic Caramels and spiders are not something people like to talk about as it hurts their bottom lines.
Corey
PS The kinking in Caramels are very obvious in hatchlings and don't develop with age
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Bristen,
My female is fine. Although, almost every breeder in the USA who has produced Caramels in numbers has produced kinked offspring. It's in the gene and it doesn't seem to be related to inbreeding........although I'm sure it's not helping. Breeders in the USA who are working with totally unrelated stock (wild caughts) are still producing kinked offspring. Most of the kinking seems to be in the mid section (severe spinal kinks) although some show up in the tail and aren't as bad.
Problematic Caramels and spiders are not something people like to talk about as it hurts their bottom lines.
Corey
PS The kinking in Caramels are very obvious in hatchlings and don't develop with age.
My female is fine. Although, almost every breeder in the USA who has produced Caramels in numbers has produced kinked offspring. It's in the gene and it doesn't seem to be related to inbreeding........although I'm sure it's not helping. Breeders in the USA who are working with totally unrelated stock (wild caughts) are still producing kinked offspring. Most of the kinking seems to be in the mid section (severe spinal kinks) although some show up in the tail and aren't as bad.
Problematic Caramels and spiders are not something people like to talk about as it hurts their bottom lines.
Corey
PS The kinking in Caramels are very obvious in hatchlings and don't develop with age.
.............
money for mutants
(genetic defects). I, for one, am all for the morphs. Even though there are
some wild caught albino ball pythons floating around, there are only very few
of them. If you have an albino ball python, odds are that you purchased a
captive-bred animal. For the most part, I think it promotes captive bred
animals (let's not get into the huge demand for female ball pythons though -
another subject).
What gets really complicated, is when is the defect more than we bargained for? Typically, pigmentation or pattern mutation are not evaluated as problematic for the animal in any way. And for the most part, we don't have any issues with that. One could still argue that for an animal that is not nocturnal, albinism could be not that great... but let's not go there since we don't have that problem with Ball Pythons heh...
However, when talking about an interesting pattern and/or color mutation that is accompanied by some unwelcomed defects, the question is "when is it ok or not ok to breed them"? There is a gray zone here. Discussions in this zone is where people get all fired up. The reason is that not everybody agrees what is too much and what isn't.
In my opinion, and that's all it is, there should be a way to determine if the defect is serious enough or not to terminate a particular project. I think that any physiological or mental defect that is problematic for the animal's "well being" should be enough to terminate a project. That would include skin problems (rashes, thin skin that rips open easily, etc), problems eating, problems defecating, problems with or does not breed, if it was possible to know it had pain in some way, had a shortened life span for some reason, mobility was restricted, some particular sense does not work (such as being blind), and so on...
An animal's well being should be defined I suppose. What do ball pythons do in the wild? When is a ball python comfortable and "happy" (if that can be said of a ball python)? All they do is move around, eat, breed and defecate. If a snake is capable of doing all that without any pain or physical discomfort, I see no reason why not to breed it. One might say, a snake can do all of that and be blind! Well the snake can, but I'm convinced the stress level of that snake would go up considerably. A blind snake would not be a snake to breed in my opinion.
Corey's decision to not breed kinked caramels is the only respectable approach, because in this particular case, we know it is somehow related to the caramel genetics and it is not a incubation-related problem. Perhaps at some point we may be able to "breed it out", who knows? There are a lot of Caramels that are not kinked. I would think this means that there may be a possibility of breeding it out. Let's all hope that will happen. Breeding snakes for the freezer is not what we're all into this for.
For other particular defects, such as the spinning spiders, not all agree on what should be done about it. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions on it. This certainly falls into the "gray zone" I was talking about. It looks like more kinked caramels are going to be sent to the freezer than spiders because with the caramel, as Corey stated, it's obvious at birth. The spinning spiders aren't as obvious to see at birth. In my opinion however, the "spinning spider syndrome" is not anything that affects the snakes "quality of life" in any way. A LOT of breeders have stated that their spiders were eating & breeding machines.
So, that's my take on it... I talk too much, sorry for the long post... hopefully it will make some sense to somebody :D
Bristen.
What gets really complicated, is when is the defect more than we bargained for? Typically, pigmentation or pattern mutation are not evaluated as problematic for the animal in any way. And for the most part, we don't have any issues with that. One could still argue that for an animal that is not nocturnal, albinism could be not that great... but let's not go there since we don't have that problem with Ball Pythons heh...
However, when talking about an interesting pattern and/or color mutation that is accompanied by some unwelcomed defects, the question is "when is it ok or not ok to breed them"? There is a gray zone here. Discussions in this zone is where people get all fired up. The reason is that not everybody agrees what is too much and what isn't.
In my opinion, and that's all it is, there should be a way to determine if the defect is serious enough or not to terminate a particular project. I think that any physiological or mental defect that is problematic for the animal's "well being" should be enough to terminate a project. That would include skin problems (rashes, thin skin that rips open easily, etc), problems eating, problems defecating, problems with or does not breed, if it was possible to know it had pain in some way, had a shortened life span for some reason, mobility was restricted, some particular sense does not work (such as being blind), and so on...
An animal's well being should be defined I suppose. What do ball pythons do in the wild? When is a ball python comfortable and "happy" (if that can be said of a ball python)? All they do is move around, eat, breed and defecate. If a snake is capable of doing all that without any pain or physical discomfort, I see no reason why not to breed it. One might say, a snake can do all of that and be blind! Well the snake can, but I'm convinced the stress level of that snake would go up considerably. A blind snake would not be a snake to breed in my opinion.
Corey's decision to not breed kinked caramels is the only respectable approach, because in this particular case, we know it is somehow related to the caramel genetics and it is not a incubation-related problem. Perhaps at some point we may be able to "breed it out", who knows? There are a lot of Caramels that are not kinked. I would think this means that there may be a possibility of breeding it out. Let's all hope that will happen. Breeding snakes for the freezer is not what we're all into this for.
For other particular defects, such as the spinning spiders, not all agree on what should be done about it. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions on it. This certainly falls into the "gray zone" I was talking about. It looks like more kinked caramels are going to be sent to the freezer than spiders because with the caramel, as Corey stated, it's obvious at birth. The spinning spiders aren't as obvious to see at birth. In my opinion however, the "spinning spider syndrome" is not anything that affects the snakes "quality of life" in any way. A LOT of breeders have stated that their spiders were eating & breeding machines.
So, that's my take on it... I talk too much, sorry for the long post... hopefully it will make some sense to somebody :D
Bristen.
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I have to admit that
caramel albinos never really did much for me -- but your girl just might have
changed my mind. LOL. She's beautiful Corey :) Best of luck with her in the
future...
Jen
Jen
